My first post might be a stupid idea, but does anyone think (Charles) David Forrest could have been Mr. Schwump? I gathered the following from IMDB.com:
- He was the uncredited music mixer for Christmas in Connecticut (1945), where Mr. Schwump apparently appeared briefly.
- He was also the sound engineer for nearly all of the Andy Griffith Show episodes during the first four seasons.
- He would have been 61 years old at the time of My Fair Ernest T. Bass, Mr. Schwump's first appearance.
- After that, he did a lot less sound department work.
As David Forrest's sound engineer career was winding down, Mr. Schwump began appearing. Could he have appeared as Mr. Schwump for fun?
My searches for Schwump / Schwamp & David Forrest didn't return anything, so I'm hoping this hasn't already been ruled out. However, I won't be too surprised if everyone else knows that he looks nothing like Mr. Schwump!
My brother, who is a trained noticer, and can usually identify people he hasn't seen for 40 years looked at the pictures and believes they could be the same person!
Anybody have any more info?
I have a request in for his obituary but don't know how long it will take to get. I found the cemetery where his wifes parents are buried in LA but didn't see him there.
Good thinking, Bobby. Maybe it will have a photo or give us some more clues to investigate. Keep us posted!
This is fantastic ! Good work, Steve ! Maybe this mystery will finally be solved .
Wow, this is moving along fast. It took me a couple weeks just to get the nerve to make the post.
I definitely didn't notice Mr. Schwump in the 1945 movie on my own. I read about that - on here probably. I'm no trained noticer, just stubborn enough to go through every name in Christmas in Connecticut on IMDB.com to see if they were also involved in The Andy Griffith Show, and wouldn't you know it, David Forrest was the second to last name in the credits (waaaaay down there).
That pic looks like a young Mr. Schwump to me! Great job!
I agree; the pic looks like Mr. Schwump. The noses seem to be identical.
Also the ears. Did you notice the ears? I've heard that law enforcement sometimes identifies folks who've altered their appearance by comparing the ears.
However, I'm not too sure this is an infallible indicator. In my experience as a not-so-trained noticer, it seems that men's ears get bigger as they get older. Or is this just because their hair gets sparser and no longer covers them? Sadly, while the hair on their heads gets sparser, the hair in the ears appears to take a growth spurt.
This wouldn't apply to Mr. Schwamp, though, since he's wearing that excellent toupee'.
But, I digress.
O.K., here is what I have researched and found that this Charles David Forrest fellow was, as Bobby said, a sound engineer and, also as Bobby said, was born September 8 1902 and died February 10, 1991 in L.A., CA at the age of 88. He wasn't the sound engineer for his first appearance as Mr. Schwump in "My Fair Ernest T Bass", but was sound engineer for his second and third Mr. Schwump appearances, which were the episodes "The Rumor" and "Fun Girls". Those were the only episodes that he was Mr. Schwump and sound engineer. In fact, he only did 4 more as sound engineer until he changed to being only Mr. Schwump. He did it up to the episode "Gomer Pyle, USMC" the pilot for Gomer Pyle USMC. Now this is all off of IMDB. So it would be easy for Charles David Forrest to become Mr. Schwump because he already had TAGS connections and didn't speak so he didn't have to be an actor or have acting experience, he was like an extra in a way. According to IMDB he was only in the sound department and music department, he has 128 sound department titles. Charles David Forrest was sound engineer, sound recorder, and other sound department stuff for TAGS, The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Jack Benny Program, The Eve Arden Show, and other Retro TV Shows and documentaries and movies, and I don't know what not. No Acting experience. But we have already announced in April 2012 that Patch S. Wimmers was Mr. Schwump. But wouldn't that be funny if we had us a switcharoo! Thats all I have on the subject so could be either Patch S. Wimmers or Charles David Forest. It's a "PATCH S. WIMMERS vs CHARLES DAVID FORREST" Who is the REAL Mr. Schwump??! I believe that's all I have got to say.
I must have been out of the loop in April 2012. Who is Patch S. Wimmers? Thought I had been checking in pretty regular.
I'm sure this has already been tried but I'll mention it anyway--has anybody asked Betty Lynn if she knows the real identity of Mr. Schwamp?
The person that was identified to being Mr. Schwump
On April 1, 2012 The Andy Griffith Show Rerun Watchers Club (TAGSRWC) played a "April Fools" joke on the visitors to their Facebook fan page . What follows is the content of the post:
Mr. Schwamp’s Identity Discovered!!! After decades of painstaking investigation and research by dozens of Mayberry enthusiasts, we have finally identified the actor who played Mr. Schwamp! With funding from TAGSRWC’S own Weaver’s Dept. Store (thanks, ol’ Ben!) and with several people working to assemble small pieces of the puzzle from a huge number of sources, we finally solved Mayberry’s Greatest Mystery!
An obscure mention in the credits of an episode of “The Danny Thomas Show” from 1956 was the key breakthrough. That, combined with Census records and the power of Google and Ancestry.com and eventually Screen Actors Guild records led us to a definite conclusion.
We’re pleased to announce that the actor who played Mr. Schwamp was a man named…Patch S. Wimmers. Through U.S. Census records from 1950 and 1960 (found on Ancestry.com), we found that Patch S. Wimmers lived in North Hollywood, just blocks from the Desilu-Cahuenga Studios, where “The Andy Griffith Show” was filmed. He could’ve literally walked to work in Mayberry, which means he could’ve been available to work as an extra on a given episode on very short notice.
We further found that a Patch S. Wimmers lived in and was perhaps born in Camp Threw, Miss. The earliest listing we found for him was the 1920 Census, which says he was 16 years old and living with his parents (his father was in the Army Air Corps) and two siblings in Mississippi. At some point the young Wimmers moved to California. We speculate that maybe his father was transferred to a military base in California. (We’re not sure about that because his father is listed as residing in Poi Falls, OR, during some of that period.)
Patch is already spotted acting very Mr. Schwamp-ish (which is to say, not acting much at all) in “Christmas in Connecticut” in 1945 and in the 1946 Three Stooges feature film “Swing Parade.” He would have been 41 to 42 during that time. He doesn’t pop again in our research until the 1956 “Danny Thomas Show.” And then in TAGS in “My Fair Ernest T. Bass” in 1964. And the rest is history…26 episodes of TAGS and a few episodes of “Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.” and “Mayberry R.F.D.” and similar appearances.
We’re hopeful that we’ll now find many more appearances by “Mr. Schwamp/Patch S. Wimmers. But for now, on this here day, April 1, 2012, we’re just pleased to finally announce that Mr. Schwamp is Patch S. Wimmers of Camp Threw, Miss. (and most probably Poi Falls, OR).
I had local papers researched in towns where it looked like he lived, worked and died and came up empty on all three. I sent for his death certificate today but it looks like that could take awhile to get.